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Post by Buckdawg on Aug 29, 2004 22:56:02 GMT
FANTASTIC debate you've started here guys! Some great opinions! Now here's mine!
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To blame the current state of the WWE on the internet it complete bullshit. Sorry guys, but it is. When the net took off back in 95, wrestling was about to enter its biggest and best era EVER, so how did the net spoil that? If anythin, it added to it!
All the net is, is one vast collection of people's opinions. Now, if u think sumthin is shit, and ur opinion is shared by a million other people, then yeh, that makes u feel even worse! so to that point, yeh, i agree that the net contributes to how pissed off u are bout sumthin. But then again, how is that any different to watchin a footy match in the pub with loads of mates? And don't forget, it works both ways, as for example, if a show completly owns, and everyone online praises it, then it makes it even better! So how can the net be bad?
All the net does, is expose crap for what it is. Crap. And brilliance for what it is. Brilliance. It just brings everything into light, be it good, or be it bad. So take that for what it is. Now, if thats a "bad thing", then yeh u cud say the net has ruined wrestling. But in that case, how is it different from a normal magazine? Or a conversation with mates? If ur checkin spoilers before a show, then watching that show, then of course it aint gonna be as good, but then, it's not the net thats to blame is it? It's urs!
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Post by ripper on Aug 30, 2004 4:46:35 GMT
Another Essay Listen, it is still pretty simple, if you don't want to know about it, you don't read it, remember, this is not a sport, this is high impact theatre, sports entertainment, and should be treated as such. Everyone knows what happens in Hamlet, yet people will sit and watch it all their lives, it has nothing to do with results, spoilers, shit matches, internet, etc..... , its all about the emotion, the spectacle that is wrestling, and it is not mean't to be taken so seriously. Granted, since being involved on the net, it has taken some of my passion away, but I choose what to look at, the W.W.E. doesn't. So if the net affects your viewing in a negative way, choose not to allow it. And I personally think the Alliance days were a great era, no-one knew what was gonna happen (I didn't), and there was always a surpise around the corner. People say it should have had the nWo, Goldberg, Steiner, etc... , but look what happened when these guys did come in, that is when the W.W.E. turned to shit. Man, we had DDP and Booker T, most of the new blood and ECW, what more do ya need? Everyone said the problem with WCW is that too much focus was on the old guys. I think the product is fine, as a former wrestler I can tell you right now, that it is the hardest job in the world, no training and preperation in any other sport can prepare you with what comes with being a wrestler. I know from personal experience. These guys are putting there life on the line EVERY NIGHT, 24/7, with NO TIME OUTS, NO EXTENDED LEAVE, and all people do is bitch. I love the W.W.E., watched it for 20 years, and will watch it for 20 years more. But I do agree the writing staff need to either be re-educated in the needs of today's wrestling fans, or some new blood needs to be injected. They honestly have no idea what they are doing, but remember this, the final decision comes down to Vince, so who is really to blame here! So my advice is, if you can find nothing but negatives, don't watch the fucking thing, but also don't go out and ruin other peoples viewing, for that is fucking selfish.. Ripper's point of view!
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Post by James on Aug 30, 2004 13:50:06 GMT
I wouldn't say the Internet has been the only thing to ruin wrestling over the past 2-3 years, but it definetly has a big factor in how the average fan sees it today.
I know I can't speak for those who have watched it for 10-15 or even more years because basically I haven't watched it for that long.
But the opinions that many "fans" have compiled for every single factor of wrestling at the moment has caused the average fan to look into the product too much. And, because of that, we are abliged to conform to other people's opinions and therefore we are forced to like or dislike the product accordingly.
I agree with fenlon's original post, cos I miss exactly what he misses about sneaking up early to watch a taped PPV and being mad when your favourite wrestler loses etc.
The Internet has even influenced people of young ages (myself included) to look at the product in such a way that it can no longer be enjoyable. Isn't it weird how kids of a younger age (maybe 5-6) can be able to enjoy wrestling so much, because they know little about how it really works and that it's "fake"? It's okay to discuss what you really thought of a PPV and which matches you enjoyed and why. But when a match doesn't hit the super wrestling scale **** because it's participants include "overrated wrestlers" the product doesn't have to be knocked.
Back when it was fun who really cared about how bad a wrestler was in-ring. Like remember the Rock vs. Bossman and Bull Buchanan in a Cage match. Nobody cared how bad the other two were in-ring, everyone just wanted the Rock to win cos he was the good boy and the odds were stacked against him. If that happened today the internet "smarts" will go "-**, terrible match, I dn't know why they bother" but back when no-one cared about the actual quality of the match everyone would shout "YAY, ROCK WON"
It's nowhere near as fun anymore, because the fun gets drained by these people who call themselves reporters, like that Scott Keith, everyone gets excited about his star ratings and no matter how good a PPV can be he will pull out all the bad points and all his loyal readers will agree and start off a massive chain that will go on and on until everyone on the Internet agrees.
When I watch a PPV I don't usually form an opinion on it until I go onto a forum and look at other people's opinions first. This is one of the reasons why the Internet plays a role in how negatively people see wrestling today. If you say a PPV looked great when everyone else says it doesn't then you'll look stupid so you conform. And because of this almost every show let alone just PPVs are seen negatively.
The actual quality of the product hasn't declined over the past 3-4 years. But our perspective on it has.
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Post by Buckdawg on Aug 30, 2004 14:36:23 GMT
The actual quality of the product hasn't declined over the past 3-4 years. But our perspective on it has. Thats where i gotta disagree. It's nuthin compared to what it was in the late 90's, all we're seeing is repetitive cycle after repetitve cycle, the same stuff happeneing week in and week out, and as there is more tv than ever now, it's actually MORE watered down! If the point above was valid, then how come when we look back on past shows, they're all better. Now we know what we do, surely that would mean that our perspective on days gone by would be altered too? But thats not the case, cos when we look back, we see how good the angles and feuds were, and comparing it to nowadays just shows in general the gap of quality between them.
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Post by James on Aug 30, 2004 15:03:06 GMT
I'm not saying that WWE still is great at the moment, but I do believe that the quality of it hasn't changed a whole lot since 2001, the last time everyone believed WWE was good. I just think it's partly the reason why no-one finds wrestling much fun anymoe.
Like I say I can't really liken today's product to that of 1980's because I've never seen it.
BUT I do agree with you entirely Andy. There's too much wrestling to take in at the moment. One show a week drew more viewers and kept people wanting more and more because of it's excitement value. But now, with the addition of like 20 more shows containing the same wrestling we're getting too much of it. As a result more wrestlers are getting injured, tired and because there's too much going on the writers arn't focusing enough on what they should be.
Now that there's two brands this only makes things worse, as this just doubles the problem entirely. The unpredictability value has dissapeared and been replaced with a *SPOILER* sign.
One thing that really, really pisses me off about wrestling is referees, but that's another story.
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Post by Buckdawg on Aug 30, 2004 16:04:49 GMT
The unpredictability value has dissapeared and been replaced with a *SPOILER* sign. God yeh, what happened to the days when u cudn't WAIT to tune in because u really never knew what was gonna happen?! Now, even tho avoiding spoilers, ur still not likely to be kept on the edge of ur seat in hot anticipation of a cunning twist around the corner! Thats why i luved the raw where Evolution turned on Orton, it had that IT factor that has been lackin for years...
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Post by =| Fenlon |= on Aug 30, 2004 16:16:05 GMT
thats what has really pissed me off about the internet. Trying too avoid spoilers nowadays is extremly hard.
I remeber back in 2001 when austin and vince came together at mania 17. I was in utter silence i couldnt belive what i saw. You just dont get that anymore when there are pricks posting spoilers everywhere
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Post by WrestleMania on Aug 30, 2004 16:25:28 GMT
Storylines should only be kept between the writers and the wrestlers who will perform the angle. No-one else! That way nothing should leak out. And the less people in the company who know angles the better. And as Buckdawg said the Raw when Evolution turned on Randy was great. I didnt really see it coming until i saw Triple H with his thumb up. It was at that moment i knew that thumb would face down any second and i couldnt believe it. Thats called "SHOCK!" and its this "shock!" that made wrestling in the first place. Storylines are good but to have a solid Angle you need that "Shock" factor. Back to the Net then. Internet is good for discussing storlines but half the people you talk to is brainwashed by the Net itself not to give WWE credit. Im sorry but its true.
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Post by chairshot on Aug 30, 2004 23:34:04 GMT
In a way yes because some people tend to forget when they were younger they didn't care what storyline they were doing or if a wrestler blades himself or if they botched a spot all of a sudden these people think they are professional bookers and writers......information is cool but spoilers suck........thats my opinion and i'm sticking with it
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Post by ripper on Aug 31, 2004 2:32:25 GMT
I now know what the W.W.E. needs to return to its former glory............. IT NEEDS TO BE CENSORED!!!! BRING BACK RIGHT 2 CENSOR! STEVEN RICHARDS WILL CENSOR THE INTERNET, THE WWE & BRING MORALITY BACK TO WRESTLING! Sorry, watching Summerslam 2000, good days, I think they were honestly bigger than the nWo, if you don't believe me, then he he, the Ripper!
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